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Kona, Big Island braddah...Been there on vacation, love it....Kona by Hyundai...not so much.
Love my Subie. Hang loose Howlee Brah
 

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in my experience, Hyundai makes lousy cars and I wouldn’t consider buying one.
 

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Both my wife and I love our Crosstreks but and the above statement normally is true, but with engine replacement recalls and/or oil consumption issues, I have to reluctantly side with the Hyundai...

...although not having a traverse drive train, IMO it is easier to work on..ish'
With Hyundai recalling 1.2 million engines in 2017, and then another recall involving 68,000 engines built in the East Point, GA plant catching fire....you're thinking Hyundai would be a better option?
 

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Funny thing about Hyundais, they have that great 10 year 100k warranty....... My wife wrecked her car in 2007. We were in dire need of something inexpensive so we got an Accent. We had issues with the car and the dealership out of the gate. We traded it in for another car in 2009 because my wife hated it.....anyway, less than 10 years after purchasing the Accent they were like ghosts. They had sold thousands of those POSs and few were still on the road.

They may have made significant improvements, but I would never own another unless it was given to me.
 

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But its a Hyundai.....Im sorry I cant get past how really bad these cars were when they first came out in the early 90s? I realize they are better now but...they got that rep for me....also poor resale value
My first car was a 1985 Hyundai Stellar GSL. My dad bought it new and drove it until 93'. I bought in spring of 94' for $100 and worked on it as my funds would allow until I got my G2 license in mid 95'.
The odometer rolled 3 times (it rolled at 100,000 km), had maybe 10 oil changes in its entire life and it was used several times to dislodge trucks stuck in the snow.
I'll save the things wrong with the 10 yr old abused car except to mention the horrible rust, the headlamp held in with a rigged roll of packing tape and that it hadn't had a bath since 87'-ish because the horn relay would always trip in the middle of the night. I still have one of the hubcaps as wall art in my garage.
I don't like Hyundai very much but I get sentimental with the brand when thinking about my Beast and the fun my friends and I had with it.



Anyway... My wife is starting to look around for her next vehicle with the possibility of it being her last, or second last. While I'm not sold on longevity or the capability to do a lot of routine maintenance and such in the garage, like I'll be able to with Stamford, the Kona is a contestant. No, the specs aren't quite as good as the XV but she wants something a little smaller like the Kona which also gets a little better mileage (as per stats) and it's a little cheaper.

She wants something with good ground clearance and AWD that's easy to get in and out of, as we've both have had hip surgeries, but not as large as the XV.
I know, large and XV sound funny together; to me the XV is adequate for most things and I have a trailer for the rest.
Its took me days to make her realize that you can't have a higher ride without being larger because of things like the wheelbase and track required of a taller vehicle.

Then we talked about a lift kit for a sedan and she said the Impreza. After staring blankly into her eyes for a moment, she realized what a lifted Impreza is.
So, I have a feeling that she might be waiting for the next gen XV.
 

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Then we talked about a lift kit for a sedan and she said the Impreza. After staring blankly into her eyes for a moment, she realized what a lifted Impreza is.
LMAO!

OAK's mom said she definitely did not want a car "as big" as our Crosstrek to replace her 2012 Hyundai Elantra (that's now in our garage). She definitely wanted a sedan so we did some research for her on the Impreza sedan and Legacy, and a Prius (OAK's sister just got a '19 to replace her ten year old one). Then she drove our Crosstrek and now has a '19... :D

Btw, the Crosstrek is actually a couple of inches shorter than the Prius. OAK's sister didn't believe me so we parked them next to each other. I guess the ground clearance, the roof bars, etc. just give it the appearance of a much bigger car than it really is. Like when a cat arches its back... :D
 

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Haha, you guys are going to get a good laugh... But I went out and bought a Kona EV Ultimate (top trim here in Canada) today.

But will keep my Crosstrek, of course, traded in my old Prius C. Got a good trade-in deal, plus able to take advantage of the fed and prov subsidies ($10k in total). Had to act fast though, as they are selling out quickly now. And gas prices going through the roof here, thanks to our neighbour Alberta friends who are threatening to shut off the taps to us.
 

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Haha, you guys are going to get a good laugh... But I went out and bought a Kona EV Ultimate (top trim here in Canada) today.

But will keep my Crosstrek, of course, traded in my old Prius C. Got a good trade-in deal, plus able to take advantage of the fed and prov subsidies ($10k in total). Had to act fast though, as they are selling out quickly now. And gas prices going through the roof here, thanks to our neighbour Alberta friends who are threatening to shut off the taps to us.



Let us know what you think after a few months use of it.
 

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120V-240 :sFun_rofl:
 

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Haha, you guys are going to get a good laugh... But I went out and bought a Kona EV Ultimate (top trim here in Canada) today.

But will keep my Crosstrek, of course, traded in my old Prius C. Got a good trade-in deal, plus able to take advantage of the fed and prov subsidies ($10k in total). Had to act fast though, as they are selling out quickly now. And gas prices going through the roof here, thanks to our neighbour Alberta friends who are threatening to shut off the taps to us.
$52k CAD MSRP omg... even with gas expensive after 7 years of use of my XV. I wouldn't be near 52k value with gas expenses. Not trying to down you, for a person myself travel and work cost me $60-$100 gas monthly average out.

Don't forget, the battery unit need to be service and swap. Not something you can do it yourself because it weighs a ton.
 

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$52k CAD MSRP omg... even with gas expensive after 7 years of use of my XV. I wouldn't be near 52k value with gas expenses. Not trying to down you, for a person myself travel and work cost me $60-$100 gas monthly average out.

Don't forget, the battery unit need to be service and swap. Not something you can do it yourself because it weighs a ton.
Yes, expensive, but you pay more for range (415 Kms for this one). And I do get the $10,000 subsidy plus a lot of free charging (so thank you and all the taxpayers). Also have to remember I live in Vancouver where we have the highest gas prices in North America. Some stations here selling at 178.9/litre today. Will probably hit $2.00 in a month or so (summer driving season).

What's crazy is Avgas (high octane for airplanes) is now less. Filled up my plane the other day for $1.70/litre. First time I have ever seen it less than Autogas.
 

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Just bought a Kona EV on May 1, because the govt gave me a $10K incentive rebate, plus free chargers all over the place around here. So first have to say thanks to my fellow Canadian tax payers for that gift.

I said I would come back and give an update and comparison with my Crosstrek. Here it is, and some pics below.

First, my Kona has a few things that my Crosstrek does not have:

1. Auto wipers.

2. HUD. Not just a gimmick. Starting to like this more and more. Besides speed, also shows lane traffic coming up behind you, which is kind of useful to know. And any alerts show up here as well, incl lane change traffic. I found the Kona really doesn’t like you cutting anyone off,… haha. The Crosstrek gives you a little more leeway.

3. Wireless phone charger.

4. Front and rear parking sensors (Subaru just has rear camera).

5. Ventilated A/C front seats.

6. Kona has a phone app (BlueLink) that allows me to remotely monitor status, and change things in my car. Eg, locks, charging, climate control, etc. Works pretty well and does not require a wifi or data connection (I assume satellite connected).

7. And of course the Kona EV is all electric.

Other than that, here are some of the major differences.

1. Space: Up front Kona has enough room, but rear passenger leg room is very tight compared to the Crosstrek. Also, Kona rear cargo area is smaller.

2. Clearance: Kona has 6.2 inches vs 8.7 for Crosstrek. Doesn’t matter to me though, as I didn’t buy it for off road. That’s why I have the Crosstrek. And of course, no AWD on my Kona.

3. Ride and comfort: Crosstrek is much better for this, with softer ride and is much smoother (and quieter) over the bumps (like railroad tracks). Also Crosstrek is more stealthy getting up to speed, and is more stable and confident at higher speeds. With the Kona, it feels like you are going fast, and you tend not to speed as much. Cornering on the Kona is not as good (despite the lower center of gravity with the big battery underneath), especially if you go over any bumps in the corners. Crosstrek is definitely more stable. Having said that, the Kona is better than my old Prius, but not anywhere near as good as the Crosstrek (which sets a high bar anyway compared to other vehicles). Seats are slightly more comfortable in the Crosstrek. They are both leather, but the Kona ones are not quite as soft, and feels like you are sitting on a harder bench. Maybe they need to be broken in a bit more.

4. Doors and entry/exit: Kona is better although not to say Crosstrek is really bad. I find that with the Crosstrek it is easy to scuff the bottom front of the door when exiting. Not so with the Kona. Not sure exactly why, maybe the Kona door is positioned more forward. But I did notice this.

5. Power and acceleration: Kona hands down in this area. It has 201 hp, but more importantly, 291 ft lbs torque which, with the electric motor, is immediately available from a stop start. The wheels (FWD) will squeal/chirp right up to 50 kph (about 30 mph), and your head snaps back to the head rest if you are not ready. I have really surprised some friends when I took them for a test ride. I don’t think there will be too many ICE cars that I can’t beat from a red light. Kind of fun, but not how I would drive it normally, of course. I don’t like to make a spectacle of myself.

6. Driver Assist and Safety tech: Crosstrek does everything better in this area, incl ACC (Kona lags too much) and LKA (Kona needs very good lane markings and doesn’t work at all below 60 kph). Kona only has a single camera on the windshield vs dual for the Crosstrek. I think that is the difference. Also, and this one is a little disconcerting, the Kona rear traffic alert doesn’t always pick up a car coming from the side. At our home I back out of my driveway at an angle onto the street. And I have found that on a couple occasions now, it does not pick up a car coming from one side. My Crosstrek, on the other hand, always picks up rear cross traffic even when at an angle. So that is a big difference. The other thing I don’t like is the pre-collision braking. I guess I am a bit of an aggressive driver, and usually come up pretty fast behind the car in front before braking. However, the Kona starts beeping fairly early, and has even slammed the brakes on me (and I mean slammed), even though I thought I still had lots of time to brake. That really surprised me, as the Crosstrek has never done that to me. So now I am a little spooked about that, and start slowing earlier (maybe too much), which is not how I necessarily want to drive. Will have to get used to this and adapt, I guess.

7. Instrumentation: Crosstrek is much more elaborate than the Kona with the multiple displays and setting options. Kona is OK for what you need, but a lot more basic. I think the “cockpit” in the Crosstrek feels nicer, and even the steering wheel has more controls. With the Kona, you need to do more on the center screen to look at or change something.

8. Head Unit: I like the Subura better, seems to be more intuitive and easier to use. Maybe I just need to get used to the Kona one. I don’t like how the radio presets works. And no driver profiles. Wife and I have to share all the same preferences. Nav seems the same as Crosstrek, though, and voice commands work well, as they do in the Subaru. The audio sound in the Kona is good, too, maybe a bit better than the Crosstrek (stronger base).

9. Paint job: Kona paint has a somewhat rough finish, even after a polish, almost feels like there is some overspray. My Crosstrek is silky smooth to the touch. I was back to the Hyundai dealer to pick up my floor mats, and checked some other cars in the showroom, and they were the same. So I asked the salesperson about that, and the reply was that is the “Hyundai paint”. If I want it really smooth, might have to give it a polishing compound treatment.

10. Warranty: Better with Subaru which gives 3 years end to end (incl wipers and brakes). Hyundai excludes all wear items, and only 1 year for free checks and adjustments.

11. Value: I think you get what you pay for. The ICE FWD Kona is a lot cheaper than the Crosstrek. But the Kona EV top trim version, like I have, is a lot more expensive (costs even more than the top trim Ascent).

12. Looks: All about personal preference. I like both actually. My Crosstrek is Cool Grey Khaki while the Kona is a deep, bright red and definitely stands out in a parking lot. Hope it doesn’t attract any keyers…

Having said all that, I like the Kona for what it is, a high range (450 kms) EV. That why I bought it. It is a replacement for my Prius and will be great for driving around town. And it is a good complement to my Crosstrek which is much better off road and can pull my boat. Also on trips, I would prefer the Crosstrek. However, the Kona will be our primary driving vehicle, and look forward to all the free driving (with free chargers all over the place here). And oh, my wife likes it, so that is important.


 

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10. Warranty: Better with Subaru which gives 3 years end to end (incl wipers and brakes). Hyundai excludes all wear items, and only 1 year for free checks and adjustments.
Hyundai doesn't offer a 5 year bumper-to-bumper and 10 year powertrain warranty in Canada?

Thanks for the review as my wife was originally looking at a Kona but has now decided on a Crosstrek. We pretty much came to the same conclusions you did comparing the two vehicles. The Kona offers more features for the money but the Crosstrek is roomier and more refined.
 

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Hyundai doesn't offer a 5 year bumper-to-bumper and 10 year powertrain warranty in Canada?

Thanks for the review as my wife was originally looking at a Kona but has now decided on a Crosstrek. We pretty much came to the same conclusions you did comparing the two vehicles. The Kona offers more features for the money but the Crosstrek is roomier and more refined.
Nope, the longest is 8 years, but just for the EV battery and related components. Powertrain, rust perforation and emissions is 5 years. Paint, audio, nav, HU, is 3 years. All other repairs incl engine and transmission parts, and A/C is 1 year (surprisingly low). And lots of exclusions incl all wear items like brakes wipers, etc.

Subaru warranties everything incl wear items like brakes and wipers for 3 years. Only tires are excluded. And all major components (engine, drive train, etc) for 5 years. In addition, we have a 10 year CVT warranty. And from past experience, if Subaru discovers a major defect down the road, they will add on warranties and recalls past the 5 years.
 

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I saw one today. Like the looks. Wish the Crosstrek was a little more aggressive and futuristic in the lights department. But otherwise I'd still rather have the Crosstrek.
 
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