[cedarpangolin]

1972 maverick was hella better than a pinto

 

[peaty]

I sat in a Santa Cruz not too long ago, I really like a manual myself but if you are going to go auto at least this has a double clutch auto, it also has a turbo version. Reminded me a lot of the Brats we use to have. We will be replacing our 2013 OB at some point and I did consider one of them but in the end we'll most likely get another OB.

 

[peaty]

1972 maverick was hella better than a pinto

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You only say that because they don't explode when rear ended...

 

[cedarpangolin]

You only say that because they don't explode when rear ended...

I am literally suffering thru Covid right now and laughing that hard was not good for these lungs…. Thanks a lot, lol cringe

 

[BobNH]

You only say that because they don't explode when rear ended...

That movie is a hidden lost gem. "I know a little German...there he is now!"
So lost that I actually first saw it on a video DISC!

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[Montanan]

I've never understood the fascination with pickups. On farms and if you need to haul an engine, sure, but in West L.A.?

Agreed. And I live up in Montana, where the men are men and the sheep are ...

Pickups are crazy popular here, and lots of guys claim they need them to haul stuff ... but honestly, most of them are just purchased to make their drivers feel tougher than they really are. 99% of the time, pickup beds never have anything in them except a few empty beer cans and some wadded-up Burger King wrappers.

 

[MA Subie]

Back on topic. Comparing these vehicles is really comparing apples to cheese steaks.

This one is pretty simple. What do you want your vehicle to do? If you think you will be hauling dirt and other filthy, smelly junk that you don't want in a closed vehicle, go for the Maverick. If you will be transporting a lot of stuff you want protected from the elements, go for the Crosstrek.

 

[Montanan]

Hey, wait! Isn't it my job to coax people back on topic??

But yeah, I think there are a couple more variables than that. For me, a big one is that the OP is comparing a 2WD Maverick against an AWD Subaru. AWD is going to win every time there, especially full-time AWD like Subaru's.

 

[MA Subie]

Hey, wait! Isn't it my job to coax people back on topic??

The Administrators union is already on my case, LOL!

But yeah, I think there are a couple more variables than that. For me, a big one is that the OP is comparing a 2WD Maverick against an AWD Subaru. AWD is going to win every time there, especially full-time AWD like Subaru's.

That depends. As I said, what will this vehicle be used for? If you will never drive where there is frozen precipitation and will never go off road, do you really need AWD?

 

[nick112288]

The Administrators union is already on my case, LOL!



That depends. As I said, what will this vehicle be used for? If you will never drive where there is frozen precipitation and will never go off road, do you really need AWD?

This is why I said they both have their merits.

Where I'm at doesn't get a ton of bad winter weather, but we do on occasion get some bad storms.

 

[Montanan]

That depends. As I said, what will this vehicle be used for? If you will never drive where there is frozen precipitation and will never go off road, do you really need AWD?

Full-time AWD can provide a more "planted" driving experience even on dry pavement, especially when cornering. And with the right tires, you'll definitely note the difference on wet pavement, too. I'd stick with AWD even if (gawd forbid) I had to live in Southern California.

And on the subject of handling, the weight distribution on most pickup designs doesn't make for great handling ... one of the reasons we see so many of them in the ditch up here every time the weather turns bad.

 

[MA Subie]

Full-time AWD can provide a more "planted" driving experience even on dry pavement, especially when cornering. And with the right tires, you'll definitely note the difference on wet pavement, too. I'd stick with AWD even if (gawd forbid) I had to live in Southern California.

And on the subject of handling, the weight distribution on most pickup designs doesn't make for great handling ... one of the reasons we see so many of them in the ditch up here every time the weather turns bad.

Ha! This is true. But to be fair, I remember a snow squall once on the NY Northway. I lost count of the number of Subarus I saw wiped out on the side of the highway. My guess is that Subaru drivers can be irrationally exuberant about their cars' abilities. I knew a guy who got his Impreza stuck trying to drive over 2 feet of fresh snow, LOL!

 

[cedarpangolin]

Ha! This is true. But to be fair, I remember a snow squall once on the NY Northway. I lost count of the number of Subarus I saw wiped out on the side of the highway. My guess is that Subaru drivers can be irrationally exuberant about their cars' abilities. I knew a guy who got his Impreza stuck trying to drive over 2 feet of fresh snow, LOL!

This is true, I’m in the north easternmost part of New York State my whole life… I’ve seen more Subarus and such in the ditch and pickups. Why? Because people (especially younger folks) get cocky for three seasons with that all wheel drive, and then forget how different it is driving on these northern winter roads, but the pickup owners are used to driving in rwd year round even in snow except extreme conditions and at lower speeds (trucks with 4x4 are not meant to and cannot sustain 55mph for any length of time without excessive wear, it’s meant for slower off road conditions) so the pickup drivers are more careful.

that being said, as for the Impreza and 2 feet of snow…..

I know many will balk, but God is my witness I drove my 2016 Corolla through way too many trails that most guys with a beep wouldn’t want to do, never got stuck, and I easily plowed that poor car through 2 feet of snow on occasion. I recall one time on my hour commute on country roads, a fresh 18” of snow on the road and still falling, no plow to be seen, and I plowed through it all the way home at 20mph cause any faster the snow piling over the hood would blind me and any slower I would lose momentum and traction 🤪 Subarus are definitely capable of a hell of a lot, but the car is only as capable as it’s driver!

 

[AstroKats]

Full-time AWD can provide a more "planted" driving experience even on dry pavement, especially when cornering. And with the right tires, you'll definitely note the difference on wet pavement, too. I'd stick with AWD even if (gawd forbid) I had to live in Southern California.

And on the subject of handling, the weight distribution on most pickup designs doesn't make for great handling ... one of the reasons we see so many of them in the ditch up here every time the weather turns bad.

Hey! We have mountains here with snow...

 

[oldbluedog]

If it gets that bad, the Jeep is coming out of the garage.

 

[Montanan]

I know many will balk, but God is my witness I drove my 2016 Corolla through way too many trails that most guys with a beep wouldn’t want to do, never got stuck, and I easily plowed that poor car through 2 feet of snow on occasion.

I hear ya ... my daily driver during grad school up here was a 1969 MGB, with a broken heater and a torn soft top. I got a lot of looks, but I stayed on the road and I had a ton of fun.

And yeah, of course any car is only as capable as its driver. But my point here is that a Subaru is pretty damn capable ... usually even more so than your average pickup.

 

[BobNH]

This is true, I’m in the north easternmost part of New York State my whole life… I’ve seen more Subarus and such in the ditch and pickups. Why? Because people (especially younger folks) get cocky for three seasons with that all wheel drive, and then forget how different it is driving on these northern winter roads, but the pickup owners are used to driving in rwd year round even in snow except extreme conditions and at lower speeds (trucks with 4x4 are not meant to and cannot sustain 55mph for any length of time without excessive wear, it’s meant for slower off road conditions) so the pickup drivers are more careful.

that being said, as for the Impreza and 2 feet of snow…..

I know many will balk, but God is my witness I drove my 2016 Corolla through way too many trails that most guys with a beep wouldn’t want to do, never got stuck, and I easily plowed that poor car through 2 feet of snow on occasion. I recall one time on my hour commute on country roads, a fresh 18” of snow on the road and still falling, no plow to be seen, and I plowed through it all the way home at 20mph cause any faster the snow piling over the hood would blind me and any slower I would lose momentum and traction [emoji2957] Subarus are definitely capable of a hell of a lot, but the car is only as capable as it’s driver!

Considering how many of those folks up there have absolutely no clue how to clean snow off a vehicle, the fact that they are in ditches doesn't surprise me and makes the roads that little bit safer [emoji106]
I love driving through there but am shocked that people that get that much snow don't remove it. I guess they figure the insanely high winds across the vast open fields will do it lol.
Enough wind to have jacknifed that TT earlier this week at the Rouses Point Champlain bridge, holy cow.
But the Crosstrek over Maverick "truck" (looking at you Australia) every time.

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[cedarpangolin]

Considering how many of those folks up there have absolutely no clue how to clean snow off a vehicle, the fact that they are in ditches doesn't surprise me and makes the roads that little bit safer [emoji106]
I love driving through there but am shocked that people that get that much snow don't remove it. I guess they figure the insanely high winds across the vast open fields will do it lol.
Enough wind to have jacknifed that TT earlier this week at the Rouses Point Champlain bridge, holy cow.
But the Crosstrek over Maverick "truck" (looking at you Australia) every time.

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What are you talking about wind over open fields? Haha. I guess I should clarify I’m more in the lake placid Adirondack mountains not the flatlands of Malone and Champlain/ rouses point! Haha.
Personally I leave the snow on my vehicle for fun, it shows I got a lot more snow in the country than the folks with half that much snow in the city 🤪

 

[cedarpangolin]

Considering how many of those folks up there have absolutely no clue how to clean snow off a vehicle, the fact that they are in ditches doesn't surprise me and makes the roads that little bit safer [emoji106]
I love driving through there but am shocked that people that get that much snow don't remove it. I guess they figure the insanely high winds across the vast open fields will do it lol.
Enough wind to have jacknifed that TT earlier this week at the Rouses Point Champlain bridge, holy cow.
But the Crosstrek over Maverick "truck" (looking at you Australia) every time.

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That TT wreck was one of three I saw, pretty crazy. I drive 250+ miles a day within a 100 mile radius of plattsburgh Ny for work, and I see a lot of wrecks! Subies a lot more than pickups 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[BobNH]

What are you talking about wind over open fields? Haha. I guess I should clarify I’m more in the lake placid Adirondack mountains not the flatlands of Malone and Champlain/ rouses point! Haha.
Personally I leave the snow on my vehicle for fun, it shows I got a lot more snow in the country than the folks with half that much snow in the city [emoji2957]

Flat barely begins to describe it lol. Adks, very different terrain. We have a weekend trip route from here in NH up across the top to the reservation then south to Malone and 30 then down to LP and across to CP back into Vt and home again to NH. Beautiful country out there, and soooooo many Subaru's.

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