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The $20 tweeter upgrade!

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#1 · (Edited)
OK, so I am a cheap ba$tard and I wanted new tweeters. I could barely hear the stock ones. So I give you the $20 tweeter upgrade! :cool:

I started by looking at the stock tweeter and determined that it has an impedence of 6 ohms. Most aftermarket car audio tweeters are designed to be used with an amplifier and are 4 ohms. I replaced the stock door speakers with a 4 ohm Polk DXI650 and wanted to replace the tweeters with new ones with the same 6 ohm impedance to keep the draw on the stock head unit amp the same or close to stock. I dont know the stock door speaker impedance, so definitely didnt want to increase the load any further by using 4 ohm tweeters..

My reasoning: Polk DXI650 (4 Ohm load) + Polk DB1001 (4 ohm load) = 2 Ohm load at the amp. This MAY overdrive the amp and cause overheating or possibly failure....therefore...

Polk DXI650 (4 ohm load) + Dayton Audio ND16FA-6 (6 ohm load) = less load or same as stock load at the amp when compared to all other 4 ohm tweeters.

Armed with this info, I searched for tweeters with 6 ohm impedance, that had good reviews, and were CHEAP! I came up with the Daytons here...

Dayton Audio ND16FA-6 5/8" Neodymium Dome Tweeter 275-025

Then I needed to block the lower frequency sound going to them with a simple inline crossover- a non polarized capacitor. This cap will cutoff the sound below approximately 4khz when placed inline on the positive lead (according to partsexpress tech forum- props to those guys and their audio knowledge)

6.8uF 100V Non-Polarized Capacitor 027-336

Total comes out to $20.46!! (plus shipping, of course)

Here are the tweeters, caps, and the stock tweeter.

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close up of the dayton tweeter- It is a silk dome style and sounds way better than cheap paper cones.
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Now the install!

Remove old tweet

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Give the new tweeter a test fire!

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Sounds good, time to make things permanent. I soldered the caps in-line on the positive lead. Then shrinkwrapped the connections.

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A little more shrinkwrap for protection:

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Now I hacked up the old tweeter and stripped everything off of its metal frame. You basically pry off the magnet and all the other plastic peices. then I add some sound dampening material to the frame. This is not really necessary but then I thought of a way to use it as a mounting plate!

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stick some material to the frame, lay the tweeter on the FatMat and trace around it. Cut a hole with a razor blade.

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Press fit the tweeter.

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INSTALL!! I used spade connectors that I had to modify to fit the stock connector.

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here is the wiring I used. couldnt find anything on tweeter polarity so I used the leads with red as positive (makes sense but not sure if correct). The foam wraps around the plug and connections to help keep them secure and to eliminate rattles.

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Boom. How you like that?

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Too shiny, added foam for appearance. You could see the silver FatMat through the grill. You could also paint it black if you take the tweeter out first.

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Snap the grill back in place and repeat the process for the other side. The passenger side had a red wire too so again I used that for positive.

THESE SOUND GREAT! You can now actually hear sound from the tweeters. I had to dial the trebel to +5 and sometimes +8 on the stock tweeters just so I could hear they were even playing. I have the trebel set flat to zero with the Dayton audio tweeters! There is a more airy sound and wider sound stage and stero image. You definitly know theres an upgrade there. They sound great and more accurate to my ears, but might be a tad bright, so I may tweek the trebel settings. HUGE bang for the buck!!! I'll put them up against the kickers anyday.
 
#2 ·
Very nice!

Sometimes, people don't give the folks at PartsExpress and the Dayton product line a fair shake. They make pretty stuff.



BTW. Why didn't you match the crossover point on the DXi's?

And as a future upgrade, you might want to replace the capacitor with a Polypropylene one - they are only two bucks more and I found that they make a big difference to the tweeters. I "upgraded" some Klipsch computer speakers I have by replacing the lower end components in the crossover with the better quality stuff and left the speakers the same and I found that the sound was cleaner.
 
#4 ·
Thanks for the nice complements ironman1518!

Why didn't you match the crossover point on the DXi's?
rlouie, I didnt even think about taking it that far! I dont know a whole lot about the crossover stuff, just took some advice from people who know. I wanted to get some "lower" sound out of them (4khz plus) as well as the very high freq in order to overlap with the Polks and to bring the sound stage up off the floor and toward the middle of the cabin. Pretty sucessful in that regard.
 
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#7 · (Edited)
Yeah sure and make sure you put coletrain on there prominently‎. And not to toot my own horn, but toot toot. Ha ha. I was just jamming real loud on the way to work this morning, and I was thinking dang this sounds good. I am so impressed with the sound. Cant believe it was so cheap. (dont forget I have Polk DXI650 in the fronts and tons of sound dampening so its not all the tweeters). A friend of mine had a listen and he thought it sounded great - and coming from him that's a compliment as he's had may car audio "systems" in his vehicles over the years. If I get bored I may even try the special audio grade polyprop cap that rlouie mentioned. they run 2-5 bucks each.

I was thinking for anyone else that would like to do this upgrade and make it even easier: You could skip the use of the sound dampening material and just use a dab of silicone to glue the tweeter to the stock tweet mounting plate. I can solder up the parts to make a plug and play deal if you needed me to... I am gonna try to find a better connector (ie. narrower pins) for the stock tweeter plug first.

I want to make another pair for a member here so he/she can provide an independent review....looking at you mtnhorserider!
 
#9 ·
well i got some spare stock tweets on the way so I will be trying some different caps and different tweeters in the stock frames. The idea is to get the optimum sound for the lowest price. Right now $20 is awesome but I'm guessing a few bucks more wouldn't break anybody's bank if you love good sound. Details to come...
 
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Wanted to give an update that I have my own pair of Coletrain's tweeters in my XV now, and if you live in Georgia I almost welcome you to come listen to them, ha! They really do sound great and it helps so much to get that sound off the "ground" of the car and make everything sound more balanced. Thanks Coletrain!


Here's a shot of us installing them mountain side:

 
#13 ·
Hi guys,

I live in Marietta and am thinking of doing an all around speaker upgrade but leaving the Limited stereo in place. My post is on this thread ... page 12.

I'd like to hear what those Polk speakers and inexpensive tweeters sound like and maybe get a few tips on how to do it myself.

Does the "Georgia XV" group ever meet somewhere?

Thanks,
Ron
 
#20 ·
The tweeter frame could easily be copied with wood or plastic. Just pop the tweet out, flip it over on your material and trace it. Cut the trace and drill the mount holes. I just haven't found the right material yet. It was easier for me to tear up the old than to go to the store and buy material. Next time I am at a home improvement store I'll see what I can find.
 
#21 · (Edited)
I have my new component tweeters but they are 4 ohm. (I presume so since their woofers are 4 ohm and the documentation does not say otherwise for the tweeters).



I am planning to use this method to mount them. Would it hurt something to swap them in without any capacitor or resistor or something to make it a better match?

I do not yet have the use of a warm garage to do my doors and new crossovers but since the tweeter mod has to get done sometime, I'm wanting to get started with the fabrication now. If it will hurt the tweeters or the stock head unit, I will just not re-install them until I can do the rest.
 
#24 ·
Yes, You can totally use those tweets temporarily with the stock junk cap or another better cap but why? you have a nice factory crossover network ready to go. Why not install it all at once? When is a good time to do your install? I am glad to help. We can use my garage if your are OK with that. If you do decide to hook the tweets up somehow, dont drive them too hard or near max volume.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Why not install it all at once? When is a good time to do your install? I am glad to help. We can use my garage if your are OK with that.
Wow, that's very generous of you! Even though it's a nice day today a garage would make it so much better. I could bring my parts and gtmat and all the tools I think I might need over this after noon. I could do most of the work and have you on hand when I get stuck. I'll send a PM with my phone number. I'm in Marietta. I do not have an amp and was going to do that and the battery wire as a phase 2.

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edit 01: Things just got much more complicated... I built my new tweeters and reused the existing white connector and remember how much I suck at soldering. I'm pretty sure they will work but there is no way I'm going to be crawling under the dash to solder and splice wires.

So, I'm sure there is a simple way to just plug into the back of the existing head unit: CM631UD (Clarion PF-3391A-A). I'm visualizing some sort of in-line adapter that gives me access to the 8 (or 12?) speaker wires and the remote on/off sensor which can all be routed back to my underseat amp. Another critical requirement would be that none of the steering wheel controls, bluetooth, antenna stuff etc., would be affected.

How do the pros do it? Does that AE64.com site have what I need for a 2014 Crosstrek Limited without nav?
Does this AE64 page describe the pinout?
Is this the harness I (we) need?

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edit 02: I think I am nowhere near ready to attempt this. I think I should install the amp at the same time as the door speakers since I don't want to have to screw with the wiring more than once ... continuing this back over to the main amp/speaker install thread.

Thanks a bunch.
 
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#27 · (Edited)
Just paid $11.99 for this set of tweeters:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003V...?qid=1428348684&sr=8-1-spell&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&keywords=precisionpower+t.2

Reviews were good, specs were good and as good as some of the higher end tweeters.
That is a good deal for a set of tweeters from a reputable company. Much better value than the Kicker "upgrade" although that is the one part of the Kicker package that isn't a complete ripoff. If I bought one part of it, it would be the tweeters. Still, the PP setup and some brackets are a better route.
I figure pop the bracket off the stock tweeter and put the new ones in, wire it up and it'll be great. So why is everyone wiring up capacitors with their tweeters? Sorry I'm new to audio upgrades.
Get the tweeter brackets from subaruaudio.net rather than hacking up stock speakers. I read countless accounts of ruined stock speakers only to find that the re-purposing of the brackets was not the best approach. Plus there is no way to return to stock.

So why is everyone wiring up capacitors with their tweeters? Sorry I'm new to audio upgrades.
The capacitors are used to limit bass frequencies to avoid damaging the tweeters.
 
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#34 ·
Hi I just bought a 2016 Subaru Crosstrek sport and I was in the middle of installing some new front speakers.... Hertz k 165, it's a two way system. So I got the front door speaker wired up. I was moving on to the tweeters and I was getting ready to sodder them in but I wasn't sure what wires were positive so I was cursing threw the forum trying to find which wires were the positive and negative, and I came across this thread. So now I found these tweeters will wreck my stock deck....

I'm really bad at understanding electrical, I'm just a dumb bricklayer. Can some one please give me a link to amazon for the capacitor I need please.


Also do I sodder one to the negative and the positive? Before or after the black thing or do I just totally get ride of the black thing?

Can you please help me I don't want to wreck my new crossover.
 
#35 ·
Hi I just bought a 2016 Subaru Crosstrek sport and I was in the middle of installing some new front speakers.... Hertz k 165, it's a two way system. So I got the front door speaker wired up. I was moving on to the tweeters and I was getting ready to sodder them in but I wasn't sure what wires were positive so I was cursing threw the forum trying to find which wires were the positive and negative, and I came across this thread. So now I found these tweeters will wreck my stock deck....

I'm really bad at understanding electrical, I'm just a dumb bricklayer. Can some one please give me a link to amazon for the capacitor I need please.

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Also do I sodder one to the negative and the positive? Before or after the black thing or do I just totally get ride of the black thing?

Can you please help me I don't want to wreck my new crossover.
Why are you splicing any wires associated with the crossovers? You have a crossover. 2 wires (one positive, one negative) go to the mid. 2 wires go to the tweeter. Nothing else is needed. Adding any additional capacitors will change the properties of the signal sent to the speakers. You don't want that - Hertz designed the crossover to do everything without additional complexity.
 
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Yeah blair99, you just need to connect the black to the neg and the red to the pos and keep the black thing. That's assuming you ran new wires from the "box" that came with the hertz speakers to the tweeters... I looked at the instruction manual online and you run the wires going to the stock door speakers to the hertz box. from the box (which should be a crossover network) you run wires to the door speaker and tweeter. The "black thing" you speak of is a inline capacitor for your tweeter that is acting as its crossover or high pass filter/bass blocker. Keep it. You need no other components than what you bought. Manual: http://www.hertzaudiovideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Uno_Owners_Manual_Rev16B5.pdf
 
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ok I was worried I thought because the stock tweeters were 6 ohms and the and the new ones were 4 ohms that was a bad thing. I'm confused when you say box.....? I wired the door speakers to the stock wires. I found the right polarity from another thread http://www.subaruxvforum.com/forum/interior-audio/10418-speaker-wire-polarity.html.

I'm not running a new wires for the tweeters I was just going to clip off the connector from the stock tweeters and then sodder the wires together because I don't have those 2-Count Splice Wire Connectors.
But I'm not sure what the polarity is to the old tweeters because it's a different color then the doors, and it's not in the manual that I see.