Remember that Tesla cannot offer the full Federal Tax Credit anymore given they sold over X vehicles. Subaru still has way more to go before the credit gets reduced for them. Not sure what the credit value is for Tesla now, but I believe it was halved from whatever it was.NJ does have a new law that goes into effect in July that I mentioned above with $25 per "all EV" mile of range, apparently, maxing at $5000. The only other incentive is that BATTERY EV's like Tesla's or Nissan Leaf, etc. don't pay sales tax which saves about 6.625% further. Unfortunately, these benefits don't extend to PHEV's, only BEV's.
Thanks again for sharing your data, @dpc166 - it helps to have real, tangible, experience.
For me to seriously consider the Crosstrek PHEV next year when my lease is up, I'd need these things to fall into place:
For me, it seems like a mild hybrid is kind of pointless, and I need to pursue an actual plugin option. I don't need a PHEV, but it would be convenient at times. I am confident that a full EV would work for my specific situation. Who knows, maybe the Crosstrek would even have a slightly larger pack for the minor refresh as well. 30 miles would be an excellent target EV range for me.
- Option to not have a moonroof, like you did, out of long-term ownership concerns as well as headroom concerns
- Auto Lane Centering must be available in the new model year (2021 or 2022 MY)
- No availability of a Forester or Outback plug-in hybrid option
- Pricing has to be justifiable comparing the Crosstrek PHEV to a Tesla Model Y. Assuming that it can be purchased for close to $31k with the tax credit, that is obviously much different compared to the $47k that the Model Y would come in at after the state tax incentives.
So far we haven't had much of a winter in my area of SE Pennsylvania, but I've been able to play with X-mode on the ice on hills and it's great. It has the same capability as any other crosstrek and with the added torque of the electric motors, I'm sure it'll do just fine in heavy snow with just all season rubber.But--how do they perform in the snow and bad weather? Where's the data on this? Here in the northeast, we cant afford to compromise performance or safety for any fuel savings.
Agreed and I think the crosstrek hybrid is very close to 50/50 weight distribution as well given the extra 500lbs. I've never used winter tires, only stuck with the stock all-season tires here. Thought about winter tires only because the rubber compound is better below 40 degrees compared to all-season rubber.@Traceee - The Crosstrek Hybrid should perform just as good as an ICE version of the Crosstrek since they both have the same mechanical AWD system - and in fact, I'd even think the Hybrid might be better since it's slightly heavier, and with the extra weight of the battery pack on the back of the car that will help with balance. As @dpc166 said, I think you'd be fine with all-seasons unless you're in some mountains in which case you may want to look into All Climates if you don't want a dedicated winter set.
Are you doing any EV driving? 20-24MPG sounds like you're running the engine the whole time...Regrets? ("REGERTS"...): none.
However, I am disappointed with in-town mileage which is almost all of my driving and I do my best to "hyper-mile" when driving. Over the first 1,000 miles, I'm only getting between 20.5mpg and 24mpg. My late 2006 Mazda3 got 24mpg to 26.5mpg around town. OTOH, on a recent ski trip (about 90 highway miles), I got over 31mpg on the trip which made me happy.
Hence my confusion about those extremely low numbers compared to the hybrid. I also totally get hyper miling and you can't really hyper mile in the city because anything under 50 mph is really not gaining anything.This was posted in the hybrid discussion section...
Yep. Perhaps BB hadn't been following the thread and didn't realize it was about the PHEVs?Hence my confusion about those extremely low numbers compared to the hybrid. I also totally get hyper miling and you can't really hyper mile in the city because anything under 50 mph is really not gaining anything.
I do try to run the ICE about once per week, depending on the drive, to make sure I keep things lubricated inside the engine. Run it for 15-20 min once per week and the engine should be maintained well.WRX has much less ground clearance than a Crosstrek, for sure. Appears to be two different types of buyers.
I love the new Outback & Forester but I can't bring myself to buy another ICE at this point. I am driving primarily city so the 19 miles of EV range would do the job for me nearly all the time. Once we get chargers at work I can do 100% of my commute and local town driving on electric and I'd only use the ICE for runs down to the shore in the summer time.