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Quick question... What stock (make and model) tires came with your Limited?
I'm actually away from my car for the next few days ... I don't want to say anything definitive without visual confirmation. Maybe somebody else can chime in, and if not I'll post the details when I get back.
 

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I'm actually away from my car for the next few days ....
Thanks, I'm scheduled to pick my Magnetite Gray Limited this coming Monday, but would still like to compare in case there are differences in different geographic markets. I'm in NYC..
 

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Quick question... What stock (make and model) tires came with your Limited?

Falken 225/55R18 ZIEX ZE001 A/S

I'll probably keep them until the end of their life, but I understand these are not the greatest tire in the wet/snow.

Next set will most likely be Michelin's.
 

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Jebinc, do you have the website for the sti brace, planning to get it. Cheapest I could find is $320+shipping/tax. My dealership is charging $360+tax. Thanks!
 

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So, my beloved 2013 Crosstrek had a high-speed encounter with a suicidal deer on a rural Montana highway a few days ago. It was pretty exciting -- the airbags deployed and everything, and my dog is probably going to need extensive canine psychotherapy. 😏 I just had a few cuts from the airbag deployment, but the Crosstrek suffered far worse -- the left-front quarter of the car was pretty well caved in, and for a 7-year-old vehicle with 145,000 miles, the damage was way more than enough for my insurance carrier to total the thing.

Man, I loved that car.

Anyhow, it was time to start looking for a new vehicle ... and for me, there was no question that it would be a new Crosstrek. I'm still totally impressed with Subaru, and the model is a great fit for my lifestyle. (One of the salesmen I encountered tried to push me into a Forester, and I openly laughed at him. 😉) I did a lot of looking, even driving one of the 6-speed manuals, but pretty quickly decided that getting a 2021 with the 2.5 engine was the only way to go. In a lot of ways, the specs of the new Sport model would have worked well for me, but man -- the yellow interior accents on those cars are hilariously and incredibly ugly. I sat in one for all of ten seconds and knew I could never look at that shade of yellow for a couple hundred thousand miles. So that narrowed my search down to the Limited.

Buying a new Subaru in Montana is a challenge, especially at the beginning of a model year, because most of the dealers are low-volume and the cars are always in demand. My local dealer in Bozeman has never been very impressive, and I can also now report that buyers should avoid Subaru of Missoula like the plague. So I started looking out of state, and ended up getting an easy, fair deal at Parker Subaru in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, of all places.

I strongly prefer that cars have some color to them, so I knew I wanted either the cool gray or the pure red, and in the end the red won out ... it's a great shade of red and is going to be a less-common Crosstrek color, and honestly, the cool gray is actually really just baby blue. (And besides, my sister just bought a cool gray one.) So here it is:

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I like the bright color quite a bit, though it does darken some in different light, especially when covered in road dust:

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Anyway, I put 450 miles on the thing in its first two days with me, mostly two-lane mountain driving along with some dirt roads, and my initial impressions are overwhelmingly positive. This car has advanced a lot since 2013!

-- The big thing is the 2.5 liter engine ... it really makes a difference. The car is markedly more responsive on mountain grades and when passing, especially with Sport mode engaged, and it's just a more satisfying driving experience all around. While I was never really unhappy with the 2.0, a few minutes with the 2.5 convinced me that this is the engine the Crosstrek deserved all along. Unless someone's budget is really tight, I would not recommend the 2.0 anymore.

-- Most of the EyeSight features work well, and the adaptive cruise control is excellent. The lane assist features are getting better, but still aren't quite there -- in my testing, the car nearly always recognized the highway centerline, but for some reason didn't do as well identifying the striping on the road shoulder. And the automatic lane centering feature is a little jerky and problematic ... when I first started driving the car, I thought I'd gotten one with a bad front end until I realized it was just the lane centering feature doing its thing.

-- I'm with the 99.9% of Americans who find auto start/stop to be a royal pain in the butt. By my rough calculations, every time the car auto stops it saves me roughly a penny's worth of fuel -- nowhere near close to worth it.

-- The Crosstrek's LED headlights are very good, and the steering responsive headlights are better than the gimmick I thought they were. And as someone who does a lot of rural driving, I am super-happy with the automatic high beams.

-- Others here are more focused on the Head Unit than I am, but I'll just say that I'm bummed that the car no longer recognizes my ancient iPod. I need to find a new way to get my insanely large MP3 collection in the car.

Anyhow, that's it for now. I'm sure I'll have more thoughts as I keep driving. If this car were Tangerine Orange, though, it would be pretty close to perfect.
That red is awesome btw - was my 2nd choice - real nice.
 

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Jebinc, do you have the website for the sti brace, planning to get it. Cheapest I could find is $320+shipping/tax. My dealership is charging $360+tax. Thanks!
I got mine at a local dealership, where I bought the car. I just checked their website and the price is up. $320 looks to be the best deal today. Have you checked Subaru online parts.com? That vendor has a post here and will pm you a discount if you reach out.
 

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My "pure red" limited is sitting at the port in Davisville, RI waiting to delivered to my dealer then to me!
If I may ask, how did you get that information?
I just got word that a VIN has been assigned to my build. I’m anxious about the progress.
Is there a way to get more information?

Thanks,
 

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A few more random observations, after passing the 2,000-mile mark:

-- I'd still call the lane-centering functions of EyeSight a work in progress, but at least in one small way they're making me a better driver: I'm signaling before changing lanes more consistently, because if I forget to signal it pisses the car off, and EyeSight works to keep me in my original lane.

-- Heated seats don't permanently shut off after a few minutes like they did in my 2013! Nice.

-- The rear spoiler is a little irritating, because it makes it impossible to clean the top inch of the hatch window with a gas-station squeegee. So there's an inch of road dust stuck along the top of my rear window until I get out the glass cleaner and a towel at home.

-- The car's MPG estimate is still optimistic, but it's not as far off as in my 2013: last tank was 31.2 MPG according to the car, and 30.1 according to my own math. And so far, there's no mileage hit at all from the larger engine, despite my having some fun with it.

-- Still hate Auto Start/Stop. If the restart process were a little bit smoother it would be fine ... but, no.

-- EyeSight shuts off (of course) if the top couple inches of the windshield are fogged over on a rainy day. I'm going to have to be more conscientious about fully scraping my windshield this winter.

-- I've totally fallen for the Pure Red color, and I'm still super-happy with the car in general: it's comfortable and solid on the road, while still being nicely nimble and responsive, and it's peppy enough to make it fun to drive. This is the Subaru to get, guys.
 

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A few more random observations, after passing the 2,000-mile mark:

-- I'd still call the lane-centering functions of EyeSight a work in progress, but at least in one small way they're making me a better driver: I'm signaling before changing lanes more consistently, because if I forget to signal it pisses the car off, and EyeSight works to keep me in my original lane.

-- Heated seats don't permanently shut off after a few minutes like they did in my 2013! Nice.

-- The rear spoiler is a little irritating, because it makes it impossible to clean the top inch of the hatch window with a gas-station squeegee. So there's an inch of road dust stuck along the top of my rear window until I get out the glass cleaner and a towel at home.

-- The car's MPG estimate is still optimistic, but it's not as far off as in my 2013: last tank was 31.2 MPG according to the car, and 30.1 according to my own math. And so far, there's no mileage hit at all from the larger engine, despite my having some fun with it.

-- Still hate Auto Start/Stop. If the restart process were a little bit smoother it would be fine ... but, no.

-- EyeSight shuts off (of course) if the top couple inches of the windshield are fogged over on a rainy day. I'm going to have to be more conscientious about fully scraping my windshield this winter.

-- I've totally fallen for the Pure Red color, and I'm still super-happy with the car in general: it's comfortable and solid on the road, while still being nicely nimble and responsive, and it's peppy enough to make it fun to drive. This is the Subaru to get, guys.
Yes, I do believe that LKA makes you a better driver. My wife used to be lazy with the signals, and the car complained about that. But she "learned" and now I see her signalling all the time.

The lane blind spot alerts are good, too. I have a habit (maybe a bad one), of signalling, hitting the gas, and looking over my shoulder to change lanes, all at the same time. Well, the car doesn't like that of course, and will let me know as the signal goes on there is someone coming up beside me, even before I see him over my shoulder. My other car has a HUD, and shows cars on both sides of you coming up without looking over your shoulder, so I don't do it in that one. Very good for situational awareness. I wish Subaru's had HUDs,. They are great, not just a gimmick, and show all relevant and pertinent info at the time right in your line of sight.

Do you have heated steering wheel? That sure feels nice after skiing.

Re the stop/start, does the engine start up again as soon as you lift off the brake, or not until you press the throttle pedal? I have rented a couple cars (not Subaru) in the last year with start/stop and initially when driving didn't even notice that they had start/stop. But the engine would start as soon as I eased off the brake at a light, and start up was very smooth. My previous car, a Prius, was totally smooth, but in fairness, it was a hybrid, so the electric motor made it totally smooth.
 

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We're going to have a high mileage race - at 2800 miles now on my 2021. Picked mine up 8/31.
I have another roadtrip coming up next week ... I'll see what I can do. 😁
Do you have heated steering wheel? That sure feels nice after skiing.

Re the stop/start, does the engine start up again as soon as you lift off the brake, or not until you press the throttle pedal? I have rented a couple cars (not Subaru) in the last year with start/stop and initially when driving didn't even notice that they had start/stop. But the engine would start as soon as I eased off the brake at a light, and start up was very smooth. My previous car, a Prius, was totally smooth, but in fairness, it was a hybrid, so the electric motor made it totally smooth.
No heated steering wheels in US-market Crosstreks. Not a big deal for me, but maybe it would be if I'd experienced one before!

With the S/S system, the engine will start up again if the pressure on the brake pedal is slightly lessened, so when the system is active I'm learning to anticipate a traffic-light change by easing up on the brake pedal in advance, so the engine will be running by the time the light turns green. In this day and age, we shouldn't have to train ourselves to perform a workaround like that, though ...
 

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I have another roadtrip coming up next week ... I'll see what I can do. 😁

No heated steering wheels in US-market Crosstreks. Not a big deal for me, but maybe it would be if I'd experienced one before!

With the S/S system, the engine will start up again if the pressure on the brake pedal is slightly lessened, so when the system is active I'm learning to anticipate a traffic-light change by easing up on the brake pedal in advance, so the engine will be running by the time the light turns green. In this day and age, we shouldn't have to train ourselves to perform a workaround like that, though ...
I may just have to take a new Subaru for a test ride, to satisfy my own curiosity. Like I said the rental cars were not at all intrusive with their S/S. I didn't even notice it initially, until after a few stop lights, when I saw the rpm at zero. Maybe it is just how I drive all the time. I ease off the brake before I press the throttle, but it is all within the same second, and totally unconscious.
 

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I may just have to take a new Subaru for a test ride, to satisfy my own curiosity. Like I said the rental cars were not at all intrusive with their S/S. I didn't even notice it initially, until after a few stop lights, when I saw the rpm at zero. Maybe it is just how I drive all the time. I ease off the brake before I press the throttle, but it is all within the same second, and totally unconscious.
Yeah, there's a definite, fairly pronounced rumble/shake when the S/S system restarts the engine ... at least with the 2.5. No matter how many times I experience it, I think it's always going to be a little jarring.
 

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Same - I really don't like the feeling when the engine restarts. I live in NM, so for a good part of the year, AC is a must in the car. Not sure how the AC runs when the engine is stopped (just the fans, I guess).

I broke down and ordered an auto stop eliminator. Should arrive in a day or two. Installing it in the Limited looks pretty easy. Pull out a cable under the driver seat, plug in, and the button will remain off once you push it off. If I want to turn it back on, just push the button, and it will stay on until I turn it back off. Note: This installation is only for models with the RAB. The others have to install it in the overhead near the eyesight cameras.
 

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-- I'd still call the lane-centering functions of EyeSight a work in progress, but at least in one small way they're making me a better driver: I'm signaling before changing lanes more consistently, because if I forget to signal it pisses the car off, and EyeSight works to keep me in my original lane.
Yes, I do believe that LKA makes you a better driver. My wife used to be lazy with the signals, and the car complained about that. But she "learned" and now I see her signalling all the time.

The lane blind spot alerts are good, too. I have a habit (maybe a bad one), of signalling, hitting the gas, and looking over my shoulder to change lanes, all at the same time. Well, the car doesn't like that of course, and will let me know as the signal goes on there is someone coming up beside me, even before I see him over my shoulder.
I see people on the Subaru social media sites complaining about Eyesight and similiar systems usually claiming that these systems make us lazy drivers. Like you both I find it helped improve my driving.
 

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I see people on the Subaru social media sites complaining about Eyesight and similiar systems usually claiming that these systems make us lazy drivers. Like you both I find it helped improve my driving.


I think both can be true. For some people, having the car do it for them means they never gain the lifetime of experience in doing it on their own. For others, that particular aspect of Eyesight reminds them to make habitual things that should be good driving habits.

My personal belief is that an awful lot of good driving is experience and trained reflexes. It's like starting to learn to play tennis when you're 16 or 18. You need to train yourself to react without thinking and just do it automatically. But not to let your attention wander so that you don't notice what is going on around you.

For some people, if the car is doing too much, they may let their attention wander. Or they may just never develop the trained reflexes that handle so much before your fore-brain actually consciously processes it.

I think there have been some airliner crashes that could be tied back to the lack of actual hands on flying experiences of the person at the controls. Cars have always had that, which is why teens are so much more likely to be in a crash than 30somethigns.
 
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Honestly, I rarely notice the eyesight, etc. because they normally do not engage for me. I don't turn them off, I just pay attention to what I am doing when I am driving, so there's no need for the car to correct my driving.

If people are complaining about it, it's because it's engaging which means they are not paying attention.
 

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I think both can be true. For some people, having the car do it for them means they never gain the lifetime of experience in doing it on their own. For others, that particular aspect of Eyesight reminds them to make habitual things that should be good driving habits.

My personal belief is that an awful lot of good driving is experience and trained reflexes. It's like starting to learn to play tennis when you're 16 or 18. You need to train yourself to react without thinking and just do it automatically. But not to let your attention wander so that you don't notice what is going on around you.

For some people, if the car is doing too much, they may let their attention wander. Or they may just never develop the trained reflexes that handle so much before your fore-brain actually consciously processes it.

I think there have been some airliner crashes that could be tied back to the lack of actual hands on flying experiences of the person at the controls. Cars have always had that, which is why teens are so much more likely to be in a crash than 30somethigns.
It's not that the car is doing it for you. You still need to do everything right, ie look over your shoulder, etc. But it will catch you if you lapse, even the slightest. And let's be honest, all of us have had near misses over time, by maybe being not as attentive, or distracted by something. But the EyeSight will really hone your skills and make you even better than you thought you were. :)
 
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